OpenID has been getting a lot of press lately, and rightly so. It really is a sea change in way user accounts for applications and services work. (If you’re not familiar with OpenID yet, check out this screencast by Simon Willison). One day in the hopefully not-to-distant future, we’ll be looking back and remembering what a pain it was when we used to have a separate username and password for every system we needed to access.
Which brings me onto web-based forum software. Forums sometimes do exist on their own as a stand-alone entity, but the more common scenario is for a forum to exist as an enclave within a larger site or service. No one wants to custom write forum software when there’s already dozens of really good systems out there – you’ve simply got better things to do.
The classic problem with dropping in an off-the-shelf forum is that forums require user accounts. If you site also requires user accounts and awkward situation arises. Either you need to require that the user signs up for two different type of accounts, or you need to engineer some kind of interface between the two systems to share that account information. The latter often limits you to choosing forum software that is going to be compatible enough to allow that to happen. One site I use channels traffic through a page with a form you have to submit to ratify your site account with the forum account each and every time you visit their forums.
So how does OpenID help? Most forums accounts are incredibly lightweight. You need to be able to track a user around the forum (so that their posts can be associated with one another), maybe give them some configuration options and apply any moderation that your situation requires. I don’t think there’s anything there that can’t be satisfied with a the OpenID Simple Registration Extension. Plus if your forum runs on the same domain as your site, and your using OpenID there too, the user may well have pre-authorised the whole thing already. As both systems will be using OpenID, you have a unique key that enables you to associate forum users with site users should you need to.
At last that sounds like a pretty good solution for dropping a third-party forum into a site that already has user accounts. So the question remains – if I’m already using OpenID or am even vaguely considering using it in the future, why would I choose forum software without this capability? Even if I was planning to do lower-level custom integration work between the two systems, having a common ID on both has to make that much easier. Basically, if there’s no OpenID support, I just don’t want to know.
So who’s has support currently? Using the HighriseHQ Forums I noticed that Beast supports OpenID. Beast is a Rails app, so probably not convenient unless you’re already running Rails for something else. There’s a phpBB project underway to provide OpenID in the popular PHP-based package. Those are just two I’ve spotted – if you know of more, please leave a comment. My personal hope was that Vanilla would have support soon, but it seems like although it would be easy to do, they just don’t care which is a real shame. There’s a good opportunity there for someone familiar with PHP and the Vanilla codebase. (Update: development of an OpenID add-on for Vanilla is now being reconsidered. Thanks guys!)
(And yeah, I know I should have OpenID on this site too. I’m due a rebuild … more on that in a future post.)
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You’ve come to the right conclusion from wrong reasoning. You don’t need site integration in order to let users log in with OpenID. Note phpbb-openid’s slogan: Log in, don’t register!
As for other forum software supporting OpenID, there’s been some talk of SMF, but I don’t know whether something came out of that.
Dmitry – I’m not saying you need site integration to log in with OpenID, just that OpenID on both sites gives you integration for free.
OpenID does solve many problems, it doesn’t necessarily give you user integration “for free”. For instance, you’ll still have to work hard in order to get synced user login.
My point being that you don’t need to sync the user login. Forum accounts are so lightweight as to be insignificant, so as long as you have a method of tying a forum user back to a site user (which you have by comparing OpenIDs) the only stumbling block remaining is the need to sign up and log in, which OpenID makes a doddle.
I don’t even bother signing up at new places anymore. If they support OpenID though, I’ll use their service. It’s too much hassle to join a new forum or something if I have to go through all the hoops.
I just registered with claimid not long ago, and am still trying to figureout this openID thing. Didn’t even verify my own links yet :o
This page has a list of sites that are OpenID enabled
https://www.myopenid.com/directory
Good thing there’s a move toward integration online. Multiple log-ins are often attached to different personas. OpenID and other cross-platformers make maintaining those personas that much easier when most of us have three, four, or five different emails, and participate in forums. OpenID is great, and I try to use it more often while I’m consolidating disparate log-ins. Though I am an opportunist, and willing to use other things that are just as open, and just as flexible. Anyone using OpenID for one cohesive online brand?
@parisnajd: Thanks for the link to the myopenid.com directory.